June 10, 2024, 3:00 AM MDT / Updated June 10, 2024, 6:56 AM MDT

Donald Trump wants to talk about revenge, and neither Sean Hannity nor Dr. Phil can stop him. Both have tried.

Fresh off his historic guilty verdict in New York, Trump’s public comments, including in interviews with both men, have increasingly focused on the idea of “retribution” against his enemies if he returns to the White House. 

It’s rhetoric driven by Trump’s obsession that President Joe Biden and Democrats orchestrated a series of legal problems intended to derail his presidential campaign — a political persecution theory not supported by the facts. 

On May 30, a New York jury unanimously found Trump guilty on 34 counts related to falsifying business records tied to a $130,000 payment he made to an adult film star during the 2016 election. The Biden administration had nothing to do with the case.

But for Trump, it’s all politics, and revenge may need to be meted out.

“Well, revenge does take time, I will say that,” Trump said during a Thursday interview with Dr. Phil. “And sometimes revenge can be justified, Phil, I have to be honest. Sometimes it can.”

Trump has done at least five interviews since his guilty verdict. In all five, he has talked about possible retribution. 

“I think there should be concern,” said Ty Cobb, the attorney who served as a White House attorney during the Trump administration. “From a 30,000-foot view, what I see is Trump angrier now than he was before because he is convicted now.”

"President Trump has made clear that success will be the best revenge," Trump senior adviser Brian Hughes said. "When others have weaponized government and legal institutions against him for political interference, he will return these institutions to their constitutional purpose of protecting Americans’ liberty and creating a safe and prosperous nation again."

The Dr. Phil interview came one day after Trump sat down with Hannity and at times seemed to debate himself over the idea of exacting revenge.

At one point, Trump said “they’re wrong” when the Fox News host asked about those who say Trump will use his administration for revenge, but in the same breath, he laid out potential opportunities.

“Look when this election is over, based on what they’ve done, I would have every right to go after them,” Trump said. “And it’s easy because it’s Joe Biden, and you see all the criminality, all of the money that’s going into the family and him, all of this money from China, from Russia, from Ukraine.”

Hannity tried to steer Trump away from the idea of revenge, at one point interrupting to try to encourage him to say political retribution “has to stop.”

Dr. Phil, too, tried to get Trump to say he would not seek revenge if he wins in November.

“That is a big issue and I leaned very strongly into the position of saying, ‘Look, this is not going to help this country,’” Dr. Phil told CNN of his interview with Trump. 

In other interviews and public appearances, Trump has made similar comments. 

On Tuesday, in an interview with the conservative outlet Newsmax, Trump seemed to float the possibility of imprisoning his political opponents if he becomes president again. 

“So, you know, it’s a terrible, terrible path that they’re leading us to, and it’s very possible that it’s going to have to happen to them,” Trump said. 

“Does that mean the next president does it to them? That’s really the question,” he added.

He has also suggested that there would be a “breaking point” for the public if he is sentenced to jail time or house arrest, as he awaits his sentencing set for July 11.

An open desire to seek revenge on political enemies is not something new for Trump or his supporters. 

Copied from an NBC News 6-11-2024 by WM